Stopping the Muslim Mosque in NYC
By Dave Hitt on Jun 13, 2010 in Political Correctness, Religion
The Muslim’s standard operating procedure for humiliating a defeated enemy is to destroy their most sacred buildings and replace them with mosques. They then declare each one is one of their most holy of mosques and demand that everyone, Muslim or not, treat it with reverence. They did it in Jerusalem, where they built the Dome of The Rock over the site the Jews consider the holiest place on earth. They’ve done it elsewhere when they conquered a land or a people.
They can’t build a mosque on the actual site of the twin towers (and, apparently, we can’t either, which is an embarrassment) so they’re building a it a few hundred feet away, a thirteen story “fuck you” that will literally cast a shadow on the site they destroyed. A gutless NYC community board, eager to display their political correctness, has overwhelmingly approved it. The vile creep Bloomberg likes the idea. As an added insult the Muslims plan to fast track the construction so they can open it on September 11, 2011 – the ten year anniversary of their murderous rampage.
The Imam who will be running this claims he’s a moderate Muslim. He’s a proponent of Sharia law, a violent, barbaric, misogynistic and hate-filled system of oppression. It specifies that a woman’s testimony is only worth half as much as a man’s, and features brutal punishments for nearly everything. For instance, if a woman is raped she is guilty of adultery or fornication. The punishment is punished by being buried up to her neck and stoned to death. This sentence is still carried out regularly in Muslim countries. He’d like to see these laws in the US.
Good thing he’s a moderate Muslim.
Citizens are justifiably outraged. There have been protests and sign waving and shouting and a move to have the existing building declared a historical landmark. One of these things might work.
It’s tempting to let them build it, and then let the fire department take their own sweet time responding to the inevitable mysterious fires that will break out during and after its construction. Perhaps they could pause at each intersection for a moment of silence to honor their fellow firemen who were murdered on 9/11. A minute or two at each stop light should be sufficient. And if the streets are congested on the way, they’ll need to take a different route, perhaps via New Jersey.
Or we could just let them build it and then fly an airplane into it.
Those are just fantasies, of course; no civilized person could justify endangering people and adjacent buildings. But there is a way, a very effective way, to keep this insult from ever being finished: Bureaucracy.
Bureaucrats can grind any project to a halt, keep it stopped for months, let it proceed for a day or two, and then stop it again. It already happens regularly with justifiable building projects. It can be used to prevent this one.
Declaring it a historic landmark is a start. The process to determine if it qualifies is long and arduous, and can be made longer by excessive foot dragging.
If that fails, and it probably will, the next step should be an environmental impact statement. Every species of rat and mouse and cockroach and mold and dust mite in the existing building needs to be carefully examined to see if it might possibly be endangered. You can’t be too careful with this stuff. It can’t be rushed.
If it passes those hurdles, we must consider the possibility that the ground underneath it may contain important historical artifices. It should be carefully examined by highly trained archeologists, removing the dirt a fraction of an inch at a time, in search of an old boot or something.
All of the associated expenses for these studies and delays would be billed to the mosque, of course.
The project can be stalled every step of the way. “I’m sorry, your blueprints are the wrong shade of blue. The official shade of blue is just a tad darker. You’ll have to get them redone and we’ll examine them again. I can fit you in two months from now.”
Two months later: “Ah yes, you’ve got the right shade of blue here, but they’re an 1/8 of an inch too narrow. You’ll have to do them again and bring them back for approval. Unfortunately, we won’t be able to examine them again for three months, but we’ll be sure to expedite things after that.”
Three months later: “Perfect! They’re the exact right size and shape. It’s a shame, though, that you stapled them together, when the specifications clearly state they must be attached by a paper clip. . .”
Done properly this could delay the start of building by a decade or two. If construction ever does begin, inspectors should make sure that all building codes, especially the conflicting ones, are adhered to. Wherever possible they should wait until a significant part of the construction is nearly finished, then find fault somewhere and force the builders to rip out wiring and duct work and plumbing and drywall, rebuild, then repeat the process again. And again and again and again.
The beauty of this approach is that it can’t be stopped by political weasels eager to kiss Islam’s ass. All it takes is clerks and bureaucrats and inspectors quietly protesting by doing their jobs. No one can fault them for carefully enforcing every existing rule and carefully (and slowly) wrapping every procedure in the mandated red tape. Add a little extra foot dragging and this thing may never get started. If it does it won’t be finished in our lifetimes.
Shortly after 9/11 this picture of a radically altered NYC skyline was passed around the Muslim community, with the caption “New York City, 2006:
The night after the attack I couldn’t sleep, so I got up and created this photo suggesting replacement buildings which would also dramatically alter the skyline:
I spread the buildings out too much, though. They need to be in a circle, which would highlight the effect, and the tallest one should be facing Mecca.
This is a plea to all the clerks, inspectors, and everyone else who has any say in any part of this project. You can stop it. You must stop it. This celebration of slaughter must not be built.
Amazing how you lump all Muslim’s into one big pile of crap with this paranoid drivel. Being an atheist allows me the freedom to clearly think without the constraints of fairy tales and imaginary beings, thus, lending to not being driven by emotions, such as you are. Would you feel the same if it been Catholic priests who were behind 9-11 and the Pope wanted to build a church a few hundred feet away? Would you be as vehement as you are now? The pinheads who view this mosque as anything other than a symbol of peace are simply intolerant and ignorant. “This celebration of slaughter must not be built”. That is one sick statement obviously created by a disturbed mind.
sickofpinheads | Jun 13, 2010 | Reply
Living next door to a mosque, that was built with government money, I can say that it is better to build your own than to accept funding from Saudi Arabia, which is the default way a mosque is built, all over the world. Attached to this funding is a wahabbist imam.
The quran is not that different from the old testament, but there is no new testament. Worse, there has been no enlightenment, let alone a decent academic translation. Any debate about this is suppressed by wahabbism.
Keep pumping Saudi gas in you cars, folks. This will make Islam the most repressive for decades to come.
Eur van Andel | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
How do you reconcile “Sharia Law” and “symbol of peace” in your head? Also, your analogy makes no logical sense. For that analogy to work, you’d have to have catholic priests blowing up a mosque in Saudi Arabia, and then trying to build a cathedral three doors down.
Try that and see how it floats.
Mark | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
Apparently, the individual “reply” links don’t actually reply to specific comments. That last one was meant for sickofpinheads.
Mark | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
Mark, on this system replies aren’t attached to the original message, but added to the end of the list of comments. You can either address the person directly, like I did in the last sentence, or use the increasingly common convention of using the @ symbol, like this:
@S.o.Pinhead: As Mark pointed out, your analogy makes no sense. But if Catholics had carried out 9/11, and Catholicism had a long and continuing history of murder, misogyny, and terror, and the priest in charge of the place had published a book calling for terror as the rule of law, then yes, I would be opposed to it.
Catholicism *does* have a long history of murder, misogyny and terror, of course, but it’s not the mindset of a significant percentage of today’s Catholics. Now the church just helps AIDS spread in Africa and supports the rape of children. Because their current method of spreading evil doesn’t include terrorism the analogy fails.
Hittman | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
The ‘analogy’ hardly fails but rather your reasoning falls off the cliff. I counter that the Catholic church’s long standing history of pedophilia and coverups is indeed terrorism on the youth of America/world so the anaology is correct. Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. Your assertion that ” it’s not the mindset of a significant percentage of today’s Catholics” which supposedly discounts the anaology is really saying that a significant number of Muslims do support terrorism which is ignorant. Try again.
sickofpinheads | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
@Mark, Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. Different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia, as well. So what exactly are you asserting here, that all Muslims adhere to Sharia’s Law in exactly the same way? That’s just dumb but not as dumb as your anaology. Try again.
sickofpinheads | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
@sop – Of course they don’t. And of course my analogy was dumb, but I was using it to point out the stupidity of your own. I work with and know some muslims who are perfectly fine, moderate, peace-loving people. They are as appalled by what others of their faith are doing as we are.
As an atheist, I share some of your views, and I truly believe that religion is the root of all evil. That said, I also think you are blind, and you won’t see the truth until it affects you personally in some way. Your liberal definition of terrorism is off the mark – while what a certain segment of the church has been up to sickens me, asserting that it’s “terrorism” equal to a suicide bombing is ridiculous.
Say what you want, but numbers don’t lie. When non-muslims start blowing things up and beheading people and committing other atrocities in the name of their religion with the same frequency as muslims do, I will grant that you are correct, and it’s all paranoia.
Until that happens, I will continue to believe muslims have a problem with radical factions within their so-called religion, and that problem is going to have to be addressed from within.
Building a mosque in NYC is, at the very least, a very bad PR move destined to piss a lot of people off.
mark | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
@Mark,”When non-muslims start blowing things up and beheading people and committing other atrocities in the name of their religion with the same frequency as muslims do, I will grant that you are correct, and it’s all paranoia”. There are so many holes in your argument(s) but lets address just one, Again you codemn the whole for the actions of a few and this is a good argument for you, next……………..
sickofpinheads | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
I am still waiting for you to to counter anything I’ve said. So you’re of the belief that everything is fine and dandy in the land of Islam? By the way, I don’t condemn the whole muslim community for the actions of a few, just like I don’t condemn all priests for the actions of a few. I simply make the point that they have a major problem, and they need to fix it.
mark | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
@m, I have ‘countered” everything you have said(except that my definition of terrorism is “liberal”, how stupid of you) but unfortuanately arguing with you is akin to doing the same with my shoe. One last try, you are indeed condemning the whole for the actions of a few,”I simply make the point that they have a major problem, and they need to fix it”., see you’ve done it again. Predominately Muslims are not a violent group but you assert they are with the above statement. If you didn’t condemn the whole Muslim community you would not be so rabid in your hollow arguments against the mosque. One last thought, what proof do you have that this particular mosque is being built simply and for the sole purpose of throwing 9-11 in our faces, thats what I thought, none, end of argument.
sickofpinheads | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
You are an interesting human being. First off, I was using the term “liberal” to mean: Not strict or literal; loose or approximate. Obviously your left leanings have poisoned your ability to read objectively.
Also, you are wrong. I assert no such thing. In fact, my assertion is quite the opposite – a SMALL NUMBER of radical elements are the problem. THE LARGE NUMBER of non-radical elements need to address this SMALL NUMBER. Is that clear enough for you? I don’t care about the mosque. Really, I don’t. I don’t even think it’s necessarily an affront to the 9-11. What I DO think is that it is a SPECTACULARLY bad idea, for many other reasons having to do with how muslims hope to be perceived. So you’re right. End of argument. You read what you want to, regardless of what’s written.
mark | Jun 14, 2010 | Reply
Being an atheist myself I don’t accept religion into my life, I also think it has hindered years of scientific research into fields invaluable to the human race as a whole. The thing that apparently sets me apart from other atheists is that I tolerate religion. I have accepted that religion will never go away, no matter how hard I want it to. If a Muslim man wants to build and start a mosque he should be welcomed, not shunned. The Muslim religion didn’t drive that plane into those towers, men did. Now, I am in no way stating that the Muslim religion played no part in these attacks, I am simply stating that the people who funded and organized these terrible attacks should be the ones to blame, not the Muslim religion as a whole. The people who planned these attacks have a skewed interpretation of all of their holy books, including the Qur’an.
Bamm | Jun 26, 2010 | Reply
I agree with you Dave.
It will set a wrong precedent to allow a mosque at ground zero.
The fundamentalists will think that they have won and this will encourage them to commit more acts.
Ashish Patil | Jul 6, 2010 | Reply
DON’T FORGET THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS BUILT ON CHRISTIANITY
THATS WHY WE WERE SO BLESSED. WE WERE SO BLESSED :(
SABRINA | Jul 7, 2010 | Reply
You’re absolutely wrong, Sabrina. The US was specifically and intentionally built to be a secular country. Some of the founding fathers were Christians, but a substantial number of them were deists.
There is no reference to Christ in *any* of the founding documents, and none of the biblical laws are anywhere to be found in any of them.
Hittman | Jul 8, 2010 | Reply
Why not build the mosque, but hire a new Imam? Public pressure is usually enough to get someone sacked; hire a liberal Muslim to take his place, and the problem is solved.
john | Jul 10, 2010 | Reply
Here’s a thought: Instead of conspiring to use bureaucratic leeches to halt construction, why don’t you do what honest, moral people would do in this situation and raise enough money to BUY the site. Then you can put whatever you want there. Build a great tower of SCREW MUSLIMS! Build a Chuck-E-Cheese! Who cares as long as you don’t affect anyone else or prevent others from using their property as they see fit.
Dan Patrick | Jul 19, 2010 | Reply
Religion has been used for centuries to blur the truth, sidetrack discussions, start wars and impact social behavior. Why should we think we are more civilized than those in ancient times? Various peoples over the course of human existence have expended considerable energy to claim land and riches for their own whether they be Vikings, Romans, Natzis, or Muslim radical terrorists. Religion helps fuel the fire of conflict and gives people a reason to die for a cause. Yes, we are a country founded on tolerance and acceptance of others different than us but we can’t let our desire for utopia and equality make us blind to reality. It is sad to say but as a species, as proven by time, there is an innate desire for humans to conquer other humans. The US is become a nation of bobble head dolls fooling ourselves into a deluded dream state of global equality. Wake up and smell the coffee, people! I am not a paranoid fool I am a realist.
tryingtofindsanity | Aug 7, 2010 | Reply
Then according to some it would be perfectly fine to setup the Harry S Truman Memorial Cancer Institute in Hiroshima? of course it wouldn’t be in good taste, and thats the real point here isn’t it? It’s NOT in good taste for it to be so close to ground zero despite religious reasons.
JustSaying | Aug 13, 2010 | Reply
All that needs to be done is for someone to fly over the site and drop about 10 pigs and their blood collected into barrels.This would put a stop to this insanity.If I had the money and a helicopter I would have done it already.
Bruce Barron | Aug 14, 2010 | Reply
I am so against the mosque at ground zero and glad to see some humor shed on the matter and someone else who shares the same belief!
thanksalot | Aug 14, 2010 | Reply
It’s not paranoia if they’re really coming after you.
John M | Aug 18, 2010 | Reply
try-tofinsanity,
Your absolutley right….the real problem is using a Faith to promote an POLICTICAL/ agendia/ under cover of “religion”. Europe has been trying to deal with this problem of RADICAL Islam, much longer than the US has. The UK, Spain and France have tried various restriction, which include things like banning the headscarf, which has had no impact what so ever, to curb Radical Islam. The US however is quite naive, and the constitution, which is a beautiful ideal..can be easliy used to promote Radical Ideals, under the guise of freedoom of relgion. Most people from the US have never traveled to Europe, let alone countries that live under Islamic Law. Many of my friends who are Muslims are shocked by our lack of awareness into the polictical agenda of Radical Islam.
its me | Aug 22, 2010 | Reply
We need to wake up and unite to stop the murdering islamic scum that would build their Satanic temple on the very site of the victims to their evil god. They are taking advantage of the sorry political correctness and weakness of our liberal politicians. They are correct when they say most of our society now is heathen and corrupt, however, this does not excuse the crimes of their murder religion. This has stirred me up more than any issue in a long time. If we are not willing to unite and fight this obvious evil, than perhaps as a country we need to be defeated by an evil enemy similiar to what happened to the Hebrews in the old testament/Torah when they became heathen and corrupt. Electing this muslim/communist president was the first major stupid decision of a majority of this country. Not standing up to this would the second.
NoApologyCrusader | Aug 23, 2010 | Reply
Those of you who curses Muslims and the religion because of the terrorism, let me tell you that not all Muslims are the same…………I’m a Muslim. But, from my heart, curses just com out for the Muslims that made other people (including you) against the religion. They weren’t just the terrorist of U.S, they were also, the terrorists of the religion. Our religion was, is, and will always mean for Peace. So, think before you write or talk. Because I’m just 12 years old. And trust me I’m crying right now. It’s not fair at all that by bad luck, the terrorist were caught to be Muslims and you curse all of the innocent Muslims around the world. And those of you, who wants to write back an answer, write it, but not to me, to the public. Because I swear on Allah (the one who someone called *their evil god*) that I’m not gonna come back to this page. Yes, I realize how wrong it is to build a mosque, but that doesn’t mean you curse all the Muslims and Allah. a=And @NoApologyCrusader, *fuck you*.
Afroza | Aug 17, 2015 | Reply
*And* I, meant
Afroza | Aug 17, 2015 | Reply